Welcome to the Better Leaders Better Schools podcast.  This is a weekly show for ruckus makers — What is a ruckus maker?  A leader who has found freedom from the status quo. A leader looking to escape the old routine. A leader who never, ever gives up.

For some teachers and administrators, discipline is something that is to be dealt with.” If a child acts up in class, write them up or send them to principal.

But for Nathan a child “acting up” isn’t something to just be dealt with. It’s a student reacting to something.

That “something” is what Nathan believes we need to figure out and support. He shows us how to uncover that “something” and use it to build relationships that create better students and better leaders.

We hope you enjoy the podcast. All the highlights, resources, and next steps can be found below. Listen to the full episode here and learn more at betterleadersbetterschools.com

Key Talking Points 

  • The story of Luka, a powerful lesson in restorative conversations
  • Understanding what restorative conversations look like
  • Dealing with criticisms about restorative conversations
  • The Big “Why”- Why it’s important to support emotionally intelligent students

Key Milestones of the Episodes

[3:15] The powerful story of Luka

[7:33] What are some tips on improving your willpower to get up early and exercise?

[10:00] Doing restorative conversations: Why are open-ended conversations important?

[12:07] Doing reflective conversations: How does a restorative conversation look like?

[19:25] How would you deal with critics and skeptics of the “restorative conversation” method?

[22:44] BehaviorFlip

Key Quotes

  1. “The best thing to do is to build a relationship with as many people as possible.”
  2. “When you’re having a restorative conversation, the main component is you want to seek to understand.”
  3. “I’ve always said that no matter what I do, that’s the population [I choose to work with]: underserved, underprivileged, at-risk….”
  4. “Any support that we can put in place…is really going to make the world a better place.”
  5. “Seek to understand every behavior in the school.”


Key Resources 

Hacking School Discipline: 9 Ways to Create a Culture of Empathy and Responsibility Using Restorative Justice (Hack Learning Series) Paperback


Hacking Scho ol Discipline: 9 Ways to Create a Culture of Empathy and Responsibility Using Restorative Justice by Nathan Maynard



About Our Guest

Nathan is a co-author of Hacking School Discipline: 9 Ways to Create a Culture of Empathy and Responsibility Using Restorative Justice. He also is the Co-Founder and acting CEO of BehaviorFlip. He is passionate about addressing the school-to-prison pipeline crisis and closing the achievement gap through implementing trauma-informed behavioral practices

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